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Tonight in Chicago... 2°.
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Going to be a miserable 62°F here Friday. Brrrrrrr!
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54
Going to be a miserable 62°F here Friday. Brrrrrrr!
It's like you're asking for another hurricane.
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54
Going to be a miserable 62°F here Friday. Brrrrrrr!
Yeah, but you have to worry about alligators attacking you.
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Here's a picture of last year's global warming.
Note Chicago got colder.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
It's like you're asking for another hurricane.
Bring 'em on. It gives us an opportunity to make use of our concealed carry permits when the looters come out of hiding.
I'm joking.
Originally Posted by osiris
Yeah, but you have to worry about alligators attacking you.
No kidding — when I was a kid, our house was nestled against a small bayou, which housed an alligator we decided to name George. He grew to about 8-feet during the time we lived there.
Originally Posted by subego
Here's a picture of last year's global warming.
Australia never gets a break.
Stifling heat, sharks, spiders, snakes, crocs, irukandji...
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Hey! Guess what! It's snowing again! Wooo!
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Originally Posted by subego
Tonight in Chicago... 2°.
I wish. -9F windchill in the western burbs right now.
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We're expecting a Snonami© in the NE Sun/Mon. But I'm sure it'll just disappoint...
keep warm you crazy mid-westerners.
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Originally Posted by turtle777
I wish. -9F windchill in the western burbs right now.
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Listing windchill only is cheating. Expect a call from the league about this...
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Snonami. Hadn't heard that one before. Totally looking forward to that.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi
Snonami. Hadn't heard that one before.
I try.
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Originally Posted by subego
Listing windchill only is cheating. Expect a call from the league about this...
I blame the ball boy....
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So the deep freeze begins in the NE. Keep warm everyone.
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Driver: Brake Line Cut For Parking In ‘Dibs’ Space « CBS Chicago
For those not familiar, "dibs" is your spurious claim to the parking spot you dug out.
It's usually represented by some piece of trash being put in the parking spot. A broken chair... maybe two broken chairs with a mop handle laid across.
The usual penalties for parking in someone's dibs spot are keying, and icing (hose down the car in sub-freezing temperatures).
Cutting the brake line is a new one.
P.S. Not sure I buy this story, buts that's not exactly stopping me from posting it.
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I live with similar rules: street parking and huge snowstorms. Park in front of my house after I've spent 90 minutes shovelling out my spot and you may need some cosmetic touch-ups. ![Stick Out Tongue](http://forums.macnn.com/images/smilies/oldschool/tongue.gif)
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Add a little to this story... how active is your street? Is your car gone the "standard" 40+ hours/week?
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Philly is the same way. Fights and shots fired over parking spots. Some people go around with trucks and collect the "free" lawn furniture populating empty parking spots.
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I always wanted to start a thread about the dibs practice. It's absolute BS. Its public parking. Whoever did the shoveling is meaningless. You're not digging out your car so you have a parking space. You're digging out your car so you can leave.
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It's a public spot, but the city does not plow it.
A lot of people just leave their cars also once it gets snowed in.
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi
A lot of people just leave their cars also once it gets snowed in.
This is the only way you get to keep the spot.
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You know how people go on about "entitlement"?
That's what dibs is. Flat out entitlement.
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Originally Posted by subego
You know how people go on about "entitlement"?
That's what dibs is. Flat out entitlement.
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
I always wanted to start a thread about the dibs practice. It's absolute BS. Its public parking. Whoever did the shoveling is meaningless. You're not digging out your car so you have a parking space. You're digging out your car so you can leave.
I'm almost certainly talking about less-busy spots than you guys are - small city, etc. etc. - but in our downtown, the very unofficial rule is that if you shovel the spot in front of your house, you should expect to be able to park in it long-term. (I.e. during the evenings & overnight...temporary parking is usually okay with everyone...many people just leave a note on their cars saying "back in an hour", etc.). We have mostly townhouse-style houses, and everyone gets a parking permit roughly for your geographic area. Most of the problem starts when someone takes a someone's spot...then they have to park somewhere else, and a chaotic chain reaction begins.
I am totally in agreement with dibs practice. We just had a storm and got 18 inches of snow with high winds - myself and a couple neighbours spent over 3 solid hours shovelling out in front of our respective houses last night and this morning. If you want to come and park on our street, you're more than willing to take an available spot - just bring your shovel and clear one out. Otherwise, there is lots of paid parking available in the neighbourhood - you're paying the property manager a reasonable fee to keep it well-shovelled.
Your use of "entitlement" connotates claiming a right that isn't earned. I'm fully aware that I don't have a legal right to exclusive parking in my spot - but I take the position that my 3 hours of shovelling and the impassable 3-foot plow banks to either side, courtesy of my lazy/non-driving neighbours, mean that I fully earned the right to park there most of the time - not a legal right, just a "let's be reasonable people here" right.
And if have little enough shame to park your expensive vehicle in an immaculately shovelled spot in front of someone else's house, and get out and walk away thanking your lucky stars that you found a free spot......you fully deserve any negative karma that might come your way, my friend. ![Stick Out Tongue](http://forums.macnn.com/images/smilies/oldschool/tongue.gif)
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Wow. It's things like this that make me glad I don't live in a major urban area.
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PS: I agree with Shortcut though. If you shovel the spot you should get "dibs". If it's shoveled by the city then it should be "first come first served".
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
I'm almost certainly talking about less-busy spots than you guys are - small city, etc. etc. - but in our downtown, the very unofficial rule is that if you shovel the spot in front of your house, you should expect to be able to park in it long-term. (I.e. during the evenings & overnight...temporary parking is usually okay with everyone...many people just leave a note on their cars saying "back in an hour", etc.). We have mostly townhouse-style houses, and everyone gets a parking permit roughly for your geographic area. Most of the problem starts when someone takes a someone's spot...then they have to park somewhere else, and a chaotic chain reaction begins.
I am totally in agreement with dibs practice. We just had a storm and got 18 inches of snow with high winds - myself and a couple neighbours spent over 3 solid hours shovelling out in front of our respective houses last night and this morning. If you want to come and park on our street, you're more than willing to take an available spot - just bring your shovel and clear one out. Otherwise, there is lots of paid parking available in the neighbourhood - you're paying the property manager a reasonable fee to keep it well-shovelled.
Your use of "entitlement" connotates claiming a right that isn't earned. I'm fully aware that I don't have a legal right to exclusive parking in my spot - but I take the position that my 3 hours of shovelling and the impassable 3-foot plow banks to either side, courtesy of my lazy/non-driving neighbours, mean that I fully earned the right to park there most of the time - not a legal right, just a "let's be reasonable people here" right.
And if have little enough shame to park your expensive vehicle in an immaculately shovelled spot in front of someone else's house, and get out and walk away thanking your lucky stars that you found a free spot......you fully deserve any negative karma that might come your way, my friend.
Public street, no permits, you don't park 'in front' of your house, just wherever you can (which often times can be in front of your house) and people who work or shop nearby park on the street during the day. No dibs.
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@Shortcut...
Let the record show I tried to coax out of you what your circumstances were before I pulled out the tar brush.
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Originally Posted by OAW
PS: I agree with Shortcut though. If you shovel the spot you should get "dibs".
So you get to lock-up access to a public parking spot for 10 hours because you had to shovel it to go to work?
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Yeah like I said I figured circumstances were different....but technically anyone with a permit can park - so the guy two streets over can avoid shovelling a spot and park in yours instead. So somewhat similar
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I admit permit is different, (I also imagine a pure residential area is different).
I mean, nine months a year cars will suddenly show up on your street because it's street sweeping the next day and they can't park on theirs.
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Originally Posted by And.reg
With all the climate deniers in congress, this joke is no longer funny.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
So you get to lock-up access to a public parking spot for 10 hours because you had to shovel it to go to work?
The scenario he mentioned was shoveling out the space in front of one's on house. Again, keep in mind I don't live in a major urban area. Where I come from even though the street is "technically" public ... to park in front of someone's house in a residential area is a major faux pas.
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton
many people just leave a note on their cars saying "back in an hour"
This is the most Canadian ****ing thing ever.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
With all the climate deniers in congress, this joke is no longer funny.
Ohhhhhh shiiiii! 3...2...1 until someone say GW stopped in 1998
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NYC was dumped on last night, a few inches. Kinda like an albino Cleveland steamer, only much colder.
So much frickin colder, that my smug west coast friends are rubbing in my face. Pardon my rant, but LA sucks and I don't care if you were at the beach the other day and it was 82 it's still LA, and it sucks. End of rant.
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We seem to be escaping a snowstorm that was predicted to be trouble today, just a dusting. I guess a foot on Sunday was enough.
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Snowmageddon 2015 in Mass.
Little less total snowfall here than Boston, but it's still insane. This past weekend we saw our 3rd blizzard since late January and it's snowing pretty good again as I'm typing this. The MBTA has ground to a spectacular halt and snow-removal systems state-wide are vastly outmatched.
Here on the coast last night it was -3ºF with the wind absolutely howling.
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Originally Posted by sek929
Snowmageddon 2015 in Mass.
Little less total snowfall here than Boston, but it's still insane. This past weekend we saw our 3rd blizzard since late January and it's snowing pretty good again as I'm typing this. The MBTA has ground to a spectacular halt and snow-removal systems state-wide are vastly outmatched.
Here on the coast last night it was -3ºF with the wind absolutely howling.
The season to date and year to date numbers have been staggering.
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We got 4" of snow over >1/2" of solid ice. Really nasty.
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Your neighbors to the north and east have to deal with that every year: ice and many heavy snowstorms. Welcome to the party.
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People be stupid:
Tales from the Blizzard (Blotter Tales: Feb. 15, 2015) - South - The Boston Globe
SNOWBLOWER ATTACK
About two hours later, an Arlington woman was arrested and charged with attacking her neighbor with a hand-held snow blower. When police arrived at Park Avenue, they found a 60-year-old woman with cuts on her foot. Police said she had previously filed for a harassment protection order against her neighbor. Her 61-year-old neighbor was arrested and charged with violation of that order, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, and mayhem. Arlington Police Chief Frederick Ryan released a statement expressing his disappointment over the incident and asking residents to remain calm. “Emotions may run high during a historic weather event like the blizzard we just endured, but that is no excuse for violence.”
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I was hoping to hit up Wrench N Go today but it's 1 degF out with a high of 12. Maybe I'll wait until Friday, it's supposed to get all the way up to 31.
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Yeah screw that, when you're snowed in by 7 feet against your porch the only way to stave off insanity is to jump in it, everyone know that.
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It's all fun and games until you put your eye out!
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What I think irks the dibsers the most, is some lazy schmuck just pulling into the space without putting in some sweat equity too.
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